Your Friendly Neighborhood

[Yodaking]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Design

yea

 

[japes]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - initial playtesting

I've played on every iteration of this map both on TTS and on my table so I think this qualifies as the Initial...

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Friendly Neighborhood map

First two games of Avalanche's initial were on an earlier version and the houses were adjusted to be less restrictive around the high ground. There is now a two hex wide path between the house and elevation so a strategically placed figure can't body guard from height. The next two games were on the updated version and the 5th game here was with the tree adjustments.

Not sure if we have an official form for maps but this seems to be what I've seen most when I look through the threads...

Overall Look: Looks fantastic.

Stability: Originally there was an overhang that wasn't apparent on TTS, during the first physical build it was noticed and corrected with tiles left over from the sets. It's really stable and I've pushed it around on my table a few times with no issues.

Build difficulty: Pretty easy build. Nothing tricky.

Size: I'd classify it as a large map. I've played a 4 player game on this map in TTS and it didn't seem crowded.

Unit types positively affected: I don't think anyone particularly benefits from anything. There are a few items that can be thrown but not enough to make it a strategy for drafting an army.

Unit types negatively affected: See above.

Key areas on the Map: In the four player game alone we had 4 different areas of focus. The central street area with the road tiles allowing fast movement to that area for both sides. The Hill on the central side. The street between the houses out of range of central and hill zones. The end of the streets laterally across from the start zones.

Areas not used much or at all: I guess the areas right behind the houses on the edge. But there was still movement through. You can't fight everywhere.

Final Thoughts:
Personally I really like this map. I can see it sitting on my table for some times before getting torn down. It's size allows for multiplayer games and if I want to play a smaller game startzones can be house ruled to sit behind the cars at the ends of the street. For that reason I find lots of versatility in this map.

But as far as the official versions, I love it. There is enough interactive terrain to have fun with but not so much that it becomes the focus. It looks and feels like a battle in a quiet neighborhood. As much as I liked Elm street, I'm glad I took the time to print two more houses and build this map. Where Elm street feels more like the neighborhood between two streets this feels like it could be the next street over.

 

[Ericth74]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - initial playtesting

I propose a vote for public playtesting

 

[japes]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Vote for Public Playtes

yea

 

[Tornado]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Vote for Public Playtes

Yea

 

[Yodaking]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Vote for Public Playtes

yea

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Vote for Public Playtes

Yea

 

[Lord Pyre]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Vote for Public Playtes

I think the houses are too far apart to be Queens.

Cool map.

 

[Ericth74]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Vote for Public Playtes

this passes and moves to public playtesting

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

After playing a game on this, I like it overall. I like how the road helps melee figures and keeps the battle flowing. I like having the cars and trees around for SS figures to check.
And I like the height in the middle sides of the map.

I do think the map has a fair amount of dead zones. I did have some interaction with the houses near the start zones just as pass throughs to get to the action. I had no reason or motivation to go anywhere near the houses facing opposite each start zone or those entire areas of the map. I feel like this map could really benefit from something in those houses to encourage moving figures there, such as items or resources in the houses or something of that ilk.

 

[Ericth74]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

After playing a game on this, I like it overall. I like how the road helps melee figures and keeps the battle flowing. I like having the cars and trees around for SS figures to check.
And I like the height in the middle sides of the map.

I do think the map has a fair amount of dead zones. I did have some interaction with the houses near the start zones just as pass throughs to get to the action. I had no reason or motivation to go anywhere near the houses facing opposite each start zone or those entire areas of the map. I feel like this map could really benefit from something in those houses to encourage moving figures there, such as items or resources in the houses or something of that ilk.

What items do you suggest?

I think we could consider randomly placing food tokens, First Aid(not converted yet), Experimental Medicine, not sure what else. Maybe a map pool of certain ranked tokens?

 

[Yodaking]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

A different food item in each house sounds good to me.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

We (project-wide) could really use some resources that were worth grabbing

 

[Yodaking]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

I'd prefer using the low key food tokens, rather than putting something that is so good that you'll lose if you don't go after it.

 

[Ericth74]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

The problem with food tokens is that they aren't a big pull. I'm not risking going after them in the majority of situations.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

Also that feels like it's already been done in Ninja Turtle Dojo

 

[japes]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

It’s a large map and I agree those are the less attractive parts but this two houses are pass throughs to get to the back path.

Something minor is all I’d suggest. Since it’s closer to one stat some I don’t want the luck of the draw and one team get a better item.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

As long as it's the same thing in both places the power level of the effect shouldn't unbalance things. That said, LP suggested some Coffee Items on Discord and I like the theme of that. I think the Coffee Espresso Shot is the most worth going into the house for.

 

[Tornado]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

Could put two in each house. Then you have an option.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM
NAME OF THE PLAYTEST MAP: YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD
VERSION TESTED

Spoiler Alert!

Played with Satellite DOs on the far corners of the map near the houses that were away from the start zones. All houses were played as interior access, objects (not destructible), with window rules in place.

Team Test
Map: YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD
Units: Psylocke (240), Shredder (250), Foot Clan Elite (150), Raphael (200), Donatello (160) (1000) vs Baron Heinrich Zemo (180), Radioactive Man (160), Enchantress (320), Executioner (340) (1000)
Unit Summary: Solid victory for Psylocke’s ninja team. Shredder paired really well with her in getting off lots of Silent Strikes. Avoiding the damage die on her knife to shut off defensive abilities wasn’t really worth it here. Lock Down the Pain was a very useful generalist ability that got a lot of use here.
Map Summary: The Foot having a lot of map control and wanting initiative a lot made the satellite dish relevant. MoE wanted to counter but just didn’t want to devote the resources. Raph went through one of the houses, but most of the action was on the roads and the center of the map with some on the hills. Multiple cars were thrown. Fun map.
Game Summary

Spoiler Alert!

Initiative MoE. Raph charges over towards the Satellite Dish on his side. Enchantress sends up her bodyguard Executioner to the road and flies after him. Donatello advances and then Raph maneuvers towards the Dish and Psylocke maneuvers after Donnie. Zemo takes to the road and Radioactive Man crosses the street. Shredder takes to the road. A Foot Elite follows him and Raph moves next to the Dish. Zemo moves up the map. Enchantress mind controls Executioner, who zips across the asphalt with boosted road movement and tosses a car at Donnie, destroying the car and inflicting 3 wounds on Donnie, but Psylocke locks the pain of 1 of them. Donnie flips back a space. Enchantress follows, and parks in the middle of the street. Psylocke moves through Enchantress and inflicts 1 wound but chooses to turn off Magical Defense instead. But then her attack only lands 1 wound. Shredder and a Foot move up adjacent to Donnie.
Initiative Foot with the Dish and Donnie’s help. Three Foot Elite and Donnie all move up 4 spaces thanks to the Dish. Donnie inflicts 1 wound on Enchantress. Shredder uses his Ruthless Barrage to move in and out of Zemo’s glue range, attacking Enchantress twice, getting the defensive reduction on the second, and putting her down to 1 Life. He has Donnie engage her and a Foot Elite engage Executioner. A Knife in the Dark finishes Enchantress. Executioner attacks Shredder and would score 1 wound, but he Locks the Pain. Executioner misses his damage die on Shredder. Zemo can’t hit Donnie. Shredder uses his special attack again and swoops in and double attacks Zemo, but only gets 1 wound. He maneuvers Psylocke through Zemo (she hits her Silent Strike) and Donnie out of glue range, then Knife in the Dark misses Zemo. Radioactive Man tosses Ecto 1 at Shredder, destroying it and putting 2 wounds on Shedder. Zemo puts a third wound on Shredder. Donnie leaps next to Zemo, but can’t hit him. Silent Strike and Knife in the Dark finish Zemo, though. Zemo had OM3.
Initiative MoE. Raph charges through the house towards the conflict. Executioner avoids a swipe and takes height on Pyslocke and attacks down but only gets 3 skulls and she blocks. Psylocke misses with Silent Strike, misses Executioner from height, and Donatello and a Foot Elite’s Knife in the Dark misses on a reroll. Executioner hits Donnie for the last 2 wounds but Donnie Locks the Pain and survives. Executioner stymies the Foot’s efforts again. Psylocke isn’t fast enough to go down the hill, Silent Strike, and go back up, so her attack is from even ground this time. Radioactive Man advances and uses his area effect special attack. He hits both Shredder and Pyslocke for 1 wound each and one damage die each, defeating Shredder. Executioner, Donatello, and a Foot Elite all block. The A-Team Van blocks as well. Psylocke misses another Silent Strike, but hits Executioner from height for 1 wound.
Initiative Executioner. He smacks Donnie hard from height to defeat him. Raphael attacks Executioner for 1 wound and Radioactive Man for 2. Radioactive Man bashes Raph with the A-Team Van for 1 wound (destroying the Van). Raph flips away. Psylocke Silent Strikes Executioner for 1 wound and attacks Radioactive Man from height for 2 wounds. Executioner does nothing. Raph attacks Radioactive Man from height twice and finishes him.
Initiative Executioner. He hits Raph with a 4 skull attack, but only scores 1 wound, and Psylocke Locks Down the Pain on it. Psylocke can’t hit with Silent Strike or an attack from height. Executioner hits Raph for 2 wounds. Raph hits Executioner for 2 wounds. Executioner hits Raph for one wound and then Raph double attacks and finishes him.

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted [4] wounds on [Enchantress [1], Executioner [1], Radioactive Man [2]]
• UNCANNY X-FORCE: Used [0] times to move (not usable in this build)
• SILENT STRIKE: Rolled [8] damage dice for [3] wounds on [Zemo [2], Executioner [1]]
• PSYCHIC DAGGER: Avoided inflicting [1] wounds in order to turn off abilities [1] times, was [X]
• LOCK THE PAIN: Ignored [4] wounds on [Donatello [2], Shredder [1], Raphael [1]]

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): 4 Foot Clan Elite, Psylocke with 3/5 Life, and Raphael with 1/5 Life win.

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Team Test
Map: YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD
Units: Pyslocke (240), Archangel (260), Jubilee (60), Professor X (220), X-23 (220) (1000) vs TMNT (750), Splinter (250) (1000)
Unit Summary: The X-Force just have a ton of efficiency here with typically being able to roll a damage die with Psylocke, roll for auto wounds with Archangel, attack with Psylocke’s attack of 5 (or 6 from height with range), and attack with X-23’s defense reduction and contingency wound abilities. Then on defense they can ignore a wound a round with Lock the Pain and each enemy activation Archangel is swooping over and auto wounding. And X-23 has healing, so she’s no easy target either. I’d say the combination of the three with Prof X running the show from far away is running a bit hot right now and that Psylocke plays a role in that.
Map Summary:
Game Summary

Spoiler Alert!

Initiative TMNT. Raph battle rushes to the road. Leo moves to the road and sends Mikey towards the Dish. Splinter saves an OM to Raphael. Prof X has Jubilee and Psylocke advance. X-23 moves up to the road instead of Psylocke’s attack. Leo and Raph move up to the hill by the A-Team Van. Donatello trails behind on the road. Jubilee moves up towards the Dish and X-23 moves up further instead of Jubilee’s attack. Archangel moves to the head of the line on his side of the road. Jubilee moves next to the dish. X-23 starts crossing the street instead of Jubilee’s attack. Psylocke moves to the doorway next to the house by the Turtles. She misses an attack on Raph, who leaps into the street.
Initiative TMNT, despite Jubilee giving the +4 for the Dish. Leo fails an attack on Archangel who flies over Raph and Leo but fails to hit either. Raph engages Archangel and fails to hit him and Archangel fails rolls on Leo and Raph again. Splinter saves an OM to Donnie. Psylocke can’t do anything to Raph. Archangel flies over Leo and wounds him. X-23 takes his attack and hits Leo for 2 wounds. Leo hits Archangel for 1 wound and Psylocke helps him Lock the Pain. Archangel fails to hit Leo. Raph hits Psylocke for 1 wound and Archangel swoops over Leo and hits him for 1 wound. Psylocke would finish off Leo with a Silent Strike, but Splinter saves him. Psylocke’s 4 skull attack is blocked and Leo leaps away. Archangel swoops in and finishes Leo. X-23 takes Archangel’s attack and Surprise Claws Splinter for a wound. Donatello smacks Psylocke for a wound and Archangel flies over and hits Raph for a wound. Psylocke Silent Strikes Splinter for a wound, then gives up her attack to X-23, who slashes Splinter for a wound. Archangel flies over Splinter and fails to hit, but finishes Splinter with a ranged attack.
Initiative X-Men. The Dish sends Prof X forward and Psylocke through Raphael for 1 wound on Raph. Archangel flies over Raph but can’t hit, then gives up an attack to X-23, who slashes Donatello for 3 wounds. Psylocke Deadly Strikes Raphael for another wound, then finishes Donatello with a ranged attack. Raphael engages Prof X and triple attacks him but rolls poorly and only inflicts 1 wound. Archangel and Psylocke both go back towards Prof X and attack Raph from range, finishing him and the OM’s for the Turtles until the end of the round. Archangel, X-23, and Psylocke advance in a deadly trio for the next two turns. Michelangelo would finish Psylocke but she Locks the Pain for the save.
Initiative x-Men. The Dish sends Prof X up the road and Psylocke through Mikey, but she misses the wound. Mikey stands up to a barrage of X-23 attack (hitting her with a Lock and Strike wound that she heals) and Psylocke Silent Strike and attack. Mikey double activates, attacking Psylocke both times, but she survives thanks to locking the pain on the one wound she would’ve taken. Archangel flies over twice and hits Mikey both times. Archangel can’t hit Mikey, but X-23 slashes him for a wound and Psylocke finishes him off.

• Damage Done (Normal Attack): Inflicted [1] wounds on [Raphael [1]]
• UNCANNY X-FORCE: Used [0] times.
• SILENT STRIKE: Rolled [7] damage dice for [4] wounds on [Splinter [1], Raphael [2], Michelangelo [1]]
• PSYCHIC DAGGER: Avoided inflicting [0] wounds in order to turn off abilities [0] times, was [not something that ever made sense to do]
• LOCK THE PAIN: Ignored [3] wounds on [Archangel [1], Psylocke [2]]

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Jubilee with Full Life, X-23 with Full Life, Archangel with Full Life, Professor X with 3 of 4 Life, and Psylocke with 1 of 5 Life win..

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UNIT SUMMARY: Psylocke probably gives you a bit too much offensive efficiency combined with staying power for her point level. I’d go up to around 260-270 or tweak something down (like Life -1 or Attack -1 or not let her use Lock the Pain for herself).

MAP SUMMARY: I like how the map plays. Action was 90% focused on the road and asphalt areas and nearby hills in these games, but I still used a lot of the map and in both games the Satellite Dishes influenced some of my figure movement and pulled me to those corners. I only passed through one house one time that I recall, but they made nice obstructions if nothing else.

 

[Yodaking]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

Interesting that you used the skyscraper window rules on the houses. I've always just shot through those when I can draw LOS through them.

 

[Ericth74]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

Thanks for the test.

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

Interesting that you used the skyscraper window rules on the houses. I've always just shot through those when I can draw LOS through them.

I defaulted to those (for rules consistency) but it never actually came up

 

[japes]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

Interesting that you used the skyscraper window rules on the houses. I've always just shot through those when I can draw LOS through them.

I do the same as you. Simpler and technically makes sense, house windows not the same level of glass as skyscrapers

 

[IAmBatman]

Re: Your Friendly Neighborhood Map - Public Playtesting

Fwiw totally fine playing it that way, but the map rules should specify that it's interior access and (probably, maybe?) that clear sight can be drawn through it normally.

Also I didn't play with any items inside the house since I was doing the Satelitte Dish tweak (which felt good).