The Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins

[TREX]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

@Porkins, yes that is correct, the Shadow has been raised to same level as the terrain adjacent to it. I am going to run a test with Hoth Han on this map as well. I will be building it again tomorrow.

 

[TREX]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

Here are my two play tests for this map. I did notice, the latest virtualscape version needs to have a couple of pillar bases removed and replaced with regular tile, I will make the modifications in the OP. I found the map to be very fun with the raised shadow tile. It made it a game of hide and shoot.

Spoiler Alert!

Overall Look: like an icy ruin of a destroyed building overran by ice and snow.

Stability:
fairly stable, still possible to bump the glaciers and columns over.
Build difficulty:
simple
Size:
small to medium map
Unit types positively affected:
snow strength units, melee units behind cover, some road tile for units with a road bonus
Unit types negatively affected:
figures that require long range, skirmishers
Key areas on the Map:
shadow tiles with los blockers in middle of map, high ground on sides in the snow
Areas not used much or at all:
ice tiles on sides of map by start zones
Army Test 1
Create a competitive army with the design and play it against another competitive army of the same or similar point cost.

Map:Hoth Generator Ruins
Units:
Army 1
Hoth Han 110
Chewbacca 120
Rebel Captain 65
Rebel snow troopers x3 210
505 points
Army 2
Greater Ice Elemental X2 260
Dzu Te x3 225
Dumutef Guard 25
510 points
Results: Dzu Te 4/9, Greater Ice Elemental 4/4,Greater Ice Elemental 4/4, Dumutef Guard 1/1

Spoiler Alert!
Round 1
P1 Hoth han moves, aggressive scouting, fails attack , chewie tags along
P2 Dzu Te attack, wound chewie x1 wound Han x3
P1 Chewie kills 1 Dzu te
P2 Dzu Te attacks han, chewies life debt kills chewie, Han receives one additional wound
P1 loses turn
P2 Dzu te kills Han solo
Round 2
P2 dzu te kills 1 trooper
P1 Reb cap- troopers kill 1 dzu te
P2 Dzu te kill 1 trooper
P1 Reb cap- troopers kill 2 dzu te
P2 dzu te move no attack
P1 Reb cap-move 6 troopers
Round 3
P2 Dzu te kills 1 trooper
P1 reb cap moves fails
P2 Dzu te kills 3 troopers
P1 reb cap-troopers kill 1 dzu te
P2 Dzu te wounds cap x2
P1 Rebel captain- troopers fail
Round 4
P1 Rebs attack -fail
P2 Dzu te kill reb captain and 1 trooper
P1 lose turn
P2 Dzu te kill 2 troopers for the win



Army Test 2
Create a competitive army with the design and play it against another competitive army of the same or similar point cost.

Map:Hoth Generator Ruins
Units:
Army 1
Hoth Han Solo 110
Chewbacca 120
C3P0 10
Rebel Captain 65
Rebel Snowtroopers x3 210
515 points
Army 2
General Veers 100
E Web Trooper 100
Snow Troopers x4 280
R2D2 30
510 points
Results: General Veers 1/4, Snow troopers 5/12, R2D2 3/4

Spoiler Alert!
Round 1
P1 Han moves, hauls reb captain, chewie follows
P2 E web trooper moves drops x marker wounds chewie x1
P1Chewie moves, no attack
P2 Gen veers fails attack moves two troopers next to EWEB
P1 Reb captian moves 6 troopers
P2 Veers fails, snow troopers fail
Round 2
P1 Han uses Aggressive scouting killing 2 snow troopers, chewie follows
P2 Eweb wounds chewie x2, would have blown up if R2 wasn’t there.
P1Chewie wounds veers x1
P2 Snow troopers kill 2 rebel snow troopers
P1Chewie wounds veers x1
P2Veers wounds chewie x1
Round 3
P2 Eweb kills chewie and wounds Han x1
P1 loses turn
P2 Snow troopers fail
P1 Han kills 1 snow trooper
P2 Eweb kills Han, blows himself up, and wounds r2d2 x1
P1 loses turn
Round 4
P2 Snow troopers kill 2 reb snow troopers
P1 Reb snow troopers kill 3x snow troopers
P2 veers fails, snow trooper kills 1 reb snow trooper
P1 Reb captain moves troopers
P2 Snow troopers kill two rebels
P1 Rebel captains troopers fail
Round 5
P1 Rebs kill x1 snow trooper
P2 Veers wounds rebel captain x2
P1 Rebel captain wounds veers x1
P2 Snow troopers kill 1 rebel snow trooper
P1 Rebel Captain fails
P2 Snowtroopers kill x1 rebel snow trooper
Round 6
P2 Veers kills Rebel captain, snow trooper wounds c3p0 x1
P1 loses turn
P2 Veers moves , snow trooper wounds 3p0 x1
P1 loses turn
P2 snow troopers fail
P1 Loses turn
Round 7
P2 Veers fails, snow troopers kill C3P0 for the win.
Final Thoughts:
I thought that the map was very balanced for melee units, there are a lot of places for figures to hide from shooters, shadow tile for additional defense, figures like the dzu te with their camo abilities and the extra los blockers provide alot of cover for advancing melee units. On this map, you get into the action quickly, and you can strategically dance around the map with the LOS blockers. overall I liked all the adjustments that were made.

EDIT: I also added some pictures of the map built for my play tests in the OP under the spoiler tab.

 

[Yodaking]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

Looks good! I think we are getting close here.

 

[Porkins]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

I ran one quick test on the updated map with the Rancor Monster. It was a bit difficult because the Rancor doesn't fit in between the pillars very well, but I liked how the map played. I'm planning to run another test on it soon...sometime...I keep thinking I'll have a break from RL to play some games

 

[Yodaking]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

I think the Rancor will struggle with moving about many maps due to it's size and shape. Still looking forward to having one on my game board anyway. I'll just be sure to only draft the Rancor on more open boards.

 

[TREX]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

The Rancor, how big is that guy, can someone take a pic of him next to an AtSt or something. I think I'm going to have to custom sculpt that guy. I'm not paying that much for him, but I have to have him. @Porkins, post your results and we can sign you off as one of the play tests. Or, you can sign you off as one of the play tests.

 

[Koolster25]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

I can do that !

Just clic HERE.

@TREX is this the most up to date version?

 

[TREX]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

I can do that !

Just clic HERE.

@TREX is this the most up to date version?

The latest version is the one in the OP. The only thing I found that isn't right about it that I haven't changed yet is there are two column bases under the big glaciers, one on each side. Those need to be replaced with a tile piece each, which is easy to do with just grass tile.
EDIT: just looked at your link, the shadow tile sits on top of one tile underneath it making it the same level as the ice tiles next to it. Otherwise that looks awesome.

 

[Porkins]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

The Rancor, how big is that guy, can someone take a pic of him next to an AtSt or something.

I forgot about this. Here you go:

 

[DanieLoche]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

Now it's the most updated version, I changed the image of the map in my google sheet.

 

[Koolster25]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

Now it's the most updated version, I changed the image of the map in my google sheet.

Thanks!

 

[Yodaking]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

Where we at with this now? Waiting on one more play test report or do we have enough to call for a vote for Final Editing? I see we have two tests linked, I think Porkins actually had another one. However I know my test and Porkins test were before the shadow tiles were raised up one level to even ground. How many tests do we have since the shadow tile update?

 

[TREX]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

I have played on it several times, but mine do not count so much because I am the LD. It is kind of Bothersome waiting though. Whenever you give me the go I will change it to finished in the OP. I think it looks fine with what I have seen.

 

[Yodaking]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

I feel pretty comfortable with the map as well. It played pretty well when I used it, my only complaint was the shadow tiles not being used since they were all on low ground. We have since fixed that without changing anything else and we have had at least 3 tests (me, you, & Porkins) that I know of. It would get my vote for moving forward. Can't speak for the other members of BoSS though. Maybe mention them and ask them to chime in one whether or not they want to see another test.

 

[Porkins]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

I played another game on it last night for an Initial Test, but haven't been able to type it up yet. I like the map much better now. I think it's ready to go.

 

[TREX]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

@heroscaper2010 @Ninja Status @DanieLoche @Koolster25
With Multiple play testing done by Yodaking Porkins, and myself, we are convinced everything on this map is good to go. I am aware of a base of wall needing replaced with regular tile under the larger glaciers, but that is an easy fix I will do when I get home. Give a thumbs up if you guys are ready for this one to be complete. If not, let us know. thanks.

 

[Ninja Status]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

It looks nice and balanced, awesome job guys.

 

[DanieLoche]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

I made a little game too on this map, but for now I don't have time to make any report... ^^

It was Cathars against Warforged + Q10. Very close game, and the map was very fun to play, I seen no problem with it.

 

[Koolster25]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

@heroscaper2010 @Ninja Status @DanieLoche @Koolster25
With Multiple play testing done by Yodaking Porkins, and myself, we are convinced everything on this map is good to go. I am aware of a base of wall needing replaced with regular tile under the larger glaciers, but that is an easy fix I will do when I get home. Give a thumbs up if you guys are ready for this one to be complete. If not, let us know. thanks.

If everyone thinks it's fine that's okay by me. Either way I should get a test on this game on Wednesday.

 

[TREX]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

With all but one judge giving the ok, I will fix the VS file tonight(for the two rouge castle wall bases under the glaciers and we can make this one official.

 

[Porkins]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

Be sure to fix the rogue castle walls while correcting the color of the rouge ones

 

[TREX]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

Funny. @Porkins, here is the final version of the map with the rouge ones debunked.I took out any trace of pink and or red. Hoth Generator Ruins Final. What, I was in a hurry on my lunch break. I did not make another printable build file. I was wondering if someone else would want to make a pdf. All else aside, shall I change the name of the thread to make it official?

 

[Porkins]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

Let's get the map in pdf form, preferably on our HoSS map template.

 

[TREX]

Re: The Design Holocron of Hoth Generator Ruins(Playtest Pha

Let's get the map in pdf form, preferably on our HoSS map template.

I don't currently have the tools for that. I imagine you can get that going? I'll change the OP to make it official.

 

[Yodaking]

Just a general statement here but we should get in the habit of holding official votes for each stage. It looks like we have informally moved into Final Editing with a majority expressing approval. For us to release the map and make it official we definitely need an official final vote though. It just makes sure each of the BoSS members knows what is going on and gets a chance to look things over. The more eyes we have on something the more likely we are to catch any mistakes. As for what to do next, we need a pretty BoSS themed PDF to be made, then reviewed and checked for errors before we can call the release vote. I brought up the PDF topic in the rules thread and a few people said they had the skills. Lets see who has the time to take this task on.