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If I ... Ebay ... Flogging?

E-Bay for the cash to keep my customs and terrain coming.

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Widigo

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I am in need of cash to keep my custom works flowing. I make my customs because I enjoy making customs just for the fun of it. So it would not hurt my games, or lack their of, for me to sell them.

This was an idea I never played around with, it takes me a day or two to make a good custom and giving them up would be madness, but seeing a custom using a D&D figure sell for 75$ (anomaly but the point is...) I figure that true "one of a kind" figures should sell for at least 15$ a piece.

My point is that before I do this I want to know the full extent of the punishments inflicted on those that sell to E-bay on the site. I would be selling my own ideas and unless I had someone make cards for me (I would pay them if I did as long as I made a profit) then the job would be all me. I might use versions of abilities found of the site every now and then though, I plan on doing a set of figures with a magic ability using the "Gift of Magic" ability stile, but that should not be a big deal.

I would not be doing any of this for a while though.

So forty lashes, or good graces, only you can decide.

Widigo
 
i voted yes. if you love makin them and you need money to make em and you dont mind sellin em then do it imo.
 
If you do the work, then it is yours to sell, I wouldn't see a problem with this. Except that part where Hasbro may get a little cranky about their intellectual property, but that would be your own battle.

So far, problems on this site with ebay transactions have been with people downloading the cards someone else created and then selling it on ebay with the appropriate figure. Just rude. That would be like me downloading my favorite comic, having it printed on a t shirt, and then selling it. You have to get the artists permission to sell their creation.

When I saw what some Treants were going for with heroscape cards on ebay, I almost posted one of my teams that I had created. It was one of those $70 anomolies you mention.
 
Ya it was some squid like D&D figure I later looked it up and found it on E-Bay un Heroscape-atized for $2.50. The HS version had some eating and regurgitating ability.

I al looking into buying a roll of film and taking these pictures and having a CD made so I can E-Bay some stuff.

For Sure my Brother. (Duh Dyzzle)
 
Who ever said NO I want a reason please. I am here to get the publicks oppinion. 5 Yes's give me the clear, but if you have a valid reason I should not.
 
Do yo thang, Wid.

I just urge that you would get permission from whoever's ideas you may emulate. You already got more respect than the Ebay Bobs out there by posting this poll. And I agree, whoever said know should say why.
 
No, and here's my reason for anyone to think twice about cashing in HS customs for money:

The more money that is made on HS customs, the more Hasbro is likely to look down on allowing this merry little community to get away with its blatant IP infringement.

We've already had one site shut down (.net) because of the influence of their legal department - simplistically, I would rather not have ANY member profit 1 cent from their custom works, since making money on Hasbro IP is where the problem is.

Widigo - I am referring to customs as custom unit cards - are you talking about painted figures? If so - knock yourself out.

And I wouldn;t be OK with anyone seeling a Gift of Magic card for personal gain - that was made by Chinaboy, and I don;t think he wanted people to have to pay for HS customs. But that's my guess, as a customs fan.
 
Yes!

1. If it is your stuff go for it, no one "here" can tell you what you can and can't do with "your" stuff.

2. To be different than reaper.

Bannister
 
Reaper, it's all in how he words the auction. If he's making sure his auction is for the fig and that the card is free, he should be fine.
 
Yes, no one has to buy them unless they like them. It's a free country, whether everyone knows that or not. :roll: :lol: I agree w/ Bunjee to ask permission if you emulate anyone's stuff.
 
DarkSpade said:
Reaper, it's all in how he words the auction. If he's making sure his auction is for the fig and that the card is free, he should be fine.
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Yeah, he can sell the figure and link to here for the card! That should actually be a good thing. It helps those who aren't creative in the mod/painting area, it gets HSers.com noticed and makes it harder for the custom theives.
 
allskulls said:
DarkSpade said:
Reaper, it's all in how he words the auction. If he's making sure his auction is for the fig and that the card is free, he should be fine.
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Yeah, he can sell the figure and link to here for the card! That should actually be a good thing. It helps those who aren't creative in the mod/painting area, it gets HSers.com noticed and makes it harder for the custom theives.
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Just a thought, but wouldn't that make the odds greater of Hasbro taking action against Heroscapers.com for infringement, rather than the seller? If anyone wants to sell their own customs on E-Bay, I'm all for it, but I have to agree with reaper on the point about IP infringement of Hasbro for the card design, if not more.

I'm not a lawyer, but that's my viewpoint.
 
We all know selling the card for "free" is simply a legal ploy/game.

The point is - the more that people bring up HSers to Hasbro's attention, the more we risk it being shut down with a simple Cease & Desist order that they may feel the need to protect their IP from having other people make money on it.

I'm telling you, this EBay selling (for "fans" who can't even find HSers :roll: ), is not a good idea and can only profit the 1 person, while endangering the whole community.
 
I know it's not wrong to sell custom dice, dice towers, terrain, etc. so why not figures? Would it be better if he sold them here? Should we start a bidding section? (seriously)

I may not know all the legal stuff but Hasbro already knows about this site. How can a figure on Ebay make them shut HSers down? They probably have the right to, but if they wanted to, they would have already. I think they want us here even if legal issues keeps them from "knowing" we are.

I could be totally wrong here but to me it just seems that this guy wants to support his HS habit in a fun way with the consent of the HSers community. Can't hate on that.
 
I say yes, you selling on ebay would not get Hasbro lawyers to shut down this site. :poorpost:

The only thing it might do is get Hasbro lawyers to tell ebay to not allow customs to be sold on that site.

I would just keep this site out of it. If you want them to get the card for "free" then list it as a free bonus with the fig and do not link this site.
 
As long as this site sells nothing, it is in no danger from a cease and desist from hasbro.

Ebay is it's own company, no relation to 'scapers. Any user on Ebay would be the one to receive the c&d and it would not impact this site.

.net was largely shut down because of the fan boy shirts and stuff that was put up for us to enjoy. Even though it was being sold at cost, it was still items being sold by the entity, heroscape.net and therefore created the problem that has everyone worried.

Scapers is selling nothing. Users occasionally offer trades to each other for things, but the forum itself is not selling anything. no worries.
 
I have to go with a strong "yes."

I have funded almost all of my heroscape purchases with proceeds from selling customs on ebay. I really enjoy making customs, if people want to pay for them, so be it.

I still continue to make customs for this site, for free, for anyone to use. The kicker is, most of the customs I made for ebay were not just figures from different games that I rebased. All but 1 were at least repaints, about half were customized more than just painting. As I've said before, I don't know what fuels the extreme prices of hs customs some times, but when it is hot, it's hot.
 
OK I will get permission for any ability large or small, even if only the microscopic seed of the power comes from this site.

If you look hard enough you will find GW figures for sale. GW figures are unassembled when bought (I am sure we all know this much) so you are buying a custom (yes I mean figure) every time. So I see no difference it is actually harder for me to make a custom figure than that, so I feel that I have every right to sell them.

To smooth out wrinkles you can all check my E-Bay auctions (when I get a damn PayPal screen name) and if you see a single card you are not comfortable with it will be removed.

I do figures, I feel that cards while a big part of the game are not where I have the most artistic license. Not to mention I will be able to advertise completely custom figures.

I do understand our loophole site here, and how we are stepping on a lot of Hasbro’s toes, but I will in no way broadcast that I am affiliated with Heroscapers.

If I have missed a point of discussion please let me know and it will be addressed.

Widigo

The card is not the area of a custom that I value (no offence we are all different) and thus not one I will charge for, I would include a quality copy of the card.

One thing I will not do unless severe reason is given, I will never change the stats on a card to sell it. If my card says 3 attack it has three attack even if you offer to bid on it if it had 5 attack.

If I had someone make the card part of it for me (probably will I suck at that part) then they would see a profit from it just as I would, just not a equal part.

Why do I never sign my letters at the end.

I once herd the analogy of putting a Mustang body on a Buick car. ( I know little of cars but I know one is better than the other) no one ever sued or shut Hotrod Magazine down because of it now did they.

Widigo, again
 
Perfect example, I am making a set of Zettian as men in battle suits for Necromunda. I plan on selling them as two heroes on E-Bay. I plan to use a Silver and Blue paint scheme, why does that sound familiar because justjohn has done a similar set. Mine would also follow Vydar. The only real difference is that I replace their guns for bigger guns (the ones on the left on his custom) and I left their hands as is. I would be doing a new card for them, and everything. The only thing they have in common is that did it first. Now would it be bad to sell a custom that looks a lot like a custom done by another person before me even though the cards would be different, and the figures are to a certain extent. I would not want to sell them if he already has, and I would not want to sell them if he ever planed on it, I advertise that mine are original and they are, but if they are that close people will doubt my word on the subject.

Now if justjohn is uncomfortable with me selling something so close to his custom then I will paint them a different color.

Widigo

This is me asking permission, I rarely humble myself in such a way, so you know I mean this.
 
I don't see any issues with this at all. What you are selling is something you originally paid for and customized/painted yourself...it is yours to do with as you will. You aren't claiming it is endorsed by Hasbro and are therefore cutting them out of their profit. I don't know if they specifically have the card design/shape copyrighted and if that could get you into trouble or not, but if you do like someone else stated and offer the card for free what can they say?

From a community standpoint...if someone wants to pay you for something they could do themselves because they are lazy or lack the skills then you are doing them a favor and I could care less.
 
I say go for it unless Reapersaurs is right and it will incour the wrath of Hasbro on our cite it is a good idea(i bearly survived the transistion for the last cite to this one) please do not break any laws for a few bucks :)
 
A few buck will get me the pieces I need to play necromuda. I wont break any laws, or even mention HSers in any auctions though. I will either give them the card, or e-mail it to them.
 
reapersaurus said:
The more money that is made on HS customs, the more Hasbro is likely to look down on allowing this merry little community to get away with its blatant IP infringement.
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If this website is blatant IP infringement, why didn't we pick a less infringing site name? I mean, we already went through this with the original fan site - shouldn't we have learned from our mistakes?

(Perhaps you're referring to the content on the website, which I don't understand as there are tons of fan sites with customs for many other games.)
 
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