Feral Predator (Public Playtesting)

[ALEXAN2507]

Personally out of Arch and Japes' proposal I'm leaning on it being conditional on a shield instead of a skull to reduce the chance down a bit- if it still feels too tough like that I'm willing to drop defense to 2 as well but my preference at the moment is to keep the defense stat as is at 3.

 

[Arch-vile]

I'd be fine seeing that change tested in public testing. My gut says it'll still feel strong, but maybe that will be enough of a nerf.

 

[ALEXAN2507]

I'd be fine seeing that change tested in public testing. My gut says it'll still feel strong, but maybe that will be enough of a nerf.

For the record my concern with the idea of it being conditional on him taking no wounds is that I don't want big-single-attack figures to be able to reliably just ignore the risk constantly- they're already advantaged against him as you've pointed out, but I do see that as it stands it's overtuned a fair bit especially against figures that expect to be hitting him multiple times.

 

[MrNobody]

I kinda concur that I don't think that change move the needle much. But seems fine to move forward and see how it goes in testing!

 

[ALEXAN2507]

In that case I would like to propose a VOTE for public playtesting

 

[MrNobody]

Yea

 

[Arch-vile]

yea

 

[Ronin]

yea

 

[IAmBatman]

yea

 

[japes]

Yea

willing to see how it tests

 

[MrNobody]

So that's your 5 votes! Update the thread title and post in the Public Playtesting thread.

 

[Ericth74]

C3G STANDARD PLAYTEST FEEDBACK FORM

NAME OF THE PLAYTEST UNIT: Feral Predator

Version tested:

Spoiler Alert!

NAME = FERAL PREDATOR
IDENTITY =

UNIQUENESS = UNCOMMON HERO
SPECIES = YAUTJA
CLASS = HUNTER
PERSONALITY = RELENTLESS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 6

LIFE = 5

MOVE = 6
RANGE = 1
ATTACK = 5
DEFENSE = 3

POINTS = Aiming for 240

YAUTJA CLOAKING DEVICE
Feral Predator may move through all characters. While not on aquatic terrain, it is never in clear sight of enemies.

TRI-BOLT GUN SPECIAL ATTACK
Range 5. Attack 2, 4, or 6.
Start this attack action with 6 attack dice in a dice pool. Attack with 2, 4, or 6 attack dice until all dice in the dice pool have been rolled. You may not attack the same figure more than once and you may reroll one die per attack. This ability may only be used once per round.

RAZOR SHIELD
Feral Predator has +1 block when defending. After combat when defending against an adjacent figure, if Feral Predator had 1+ shields, the attacker takes 1 wound.


FACTION =
PUBLISHER = DARK HORSE
KEYWORDS =
SYMBOLS = STEALTH

Army Test
Map: Conflict Chernobyl
Units: 1000 pts – Predator Elder 280, Feral Predator x2 480, Predator 240 VS 1000 pts – Captain America 240, Iron Man 270, War Machine 260, Black Widow 230

Spoiler Alert!

The Elder's Prey was Iron Man. The Elder directed the Hunters from the start zone putting pressure on the Avengers right away. Because of the Predators cloaking they Avengers were hit a couple of times before they could engage. This is were the Feral Predators shined. The low life on Iron Man and War Machine were really effected by Razor Shield both took wounds every time they attacked and Iron Man was stuck in engagement because he doesn't have Stealth. The Avengers took 6 wounds from the Razor Shield, only 2 attacks

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Predator 2 wounds/3 life left, Feral Predator 1 wound/4 life left

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Army Test
Map: Cell Games Arena
Units: 1000 pts – Predator Elder 280, Feral Predator 240, Cheetah 275, Kraven 200, Fighting Chance 5 VS 1000 pts – Magneto 320, Wild Child 120, Wolverine 280, Sabretooth 280

Spoiler Alert!

The Elder's Prey was Sabretooth. Kraven picks Magneto. Kraven did Kraven things and wiped out the entire second round of the mutants on an initiative switch and that was kind of game over. The Predator used his Tri-Bolt in all four rounds getting a minimum 4 skulls everytime. I used the mutant healers in this game to see if I could avoid some of the effects of the Razor Shield but he only faced 1 adjacent attack by Wolverine which end ed in a wound for Wolvie. This was a surprisingly one sided game.

Who won? List figures remaining in the winning army (include life remaining for heroes): Predator Elder full 5 life, Feral Predator 2 wounds/3 life left, Kraven 4 wounds/2 life left, Cheetah 4 wounds/2 life left

GENERAL THOUGHTS ON THE TESTED UNIT: I like the concept here but they might be coming in slightly hot. Either I just had crazy luck with Razor Shield or it's a little too strong, with it doing 7 wounds in my 2 games. It did hit well above average so we can wait and see what other playtesters get before deciding to make a change. Not 100% sure what the solution is there though, could limit it to once a turn so multi-attackers like Iron Man or bonding teams don't get burned so easily. His other powers are solid, although I think the Tri-Bolt SA could use a small change. I always attacked with 6 dice, and didn't see a situation where an attack of 4 and then 2 are really useful. Maybe two attacks of 3 against squads could work but an attack of 2 is almost useless in C3G. Seems like a neat design that works really well with the current Predators and Hunters.

 

[ALEXAN2507]

Do we reckon it's worth applying a nerf to Razor Shield before I run my own tests on it or should I hold off and see how I find it in my playtesting before making a change to it?

 

[Arch-vile]

Might be worth a change before your tests? I was a little worried the skulls->shields change wouldn't be enough.

 

[ALEXAN2507]

Might be worth a change before your tests? I was a little worried the skulls->shields change wouldn't be enough.

How do you feel about dropping the Defense stat to 2 and seeing how that works in my tests?

 

[MrNobody]

That makes sense!

 

[Arch-vile]

Sounds good to me!

 

[Ericth74]

Worth a try