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[Defunct] The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne)

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The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne)

C3G DC
(RELEASE SET)

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Comic PDF

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Mini PDF

The figure used for this unit is a Heroclix figure from the Superman DC set.
Its model number and name are #046 / The Bat-Man.​

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Character Bio - (Insert optional character Bio)
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-Rulings and Clarifications-
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-Combinations and Synergies-

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Outgoing Synergy:
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-Strategy, Tactics and Tips-
-Heroscapers Community Contributions-
  • Initial playtests: Arch-vile; Arch-vile
  • Second playtest: Yodaking
  • Third playtest: redstang and Karat
  • Fourth playtest: (Insert link here)
  • Art: Comic, Figure, Background
  • Card Art by Dr. Jekyll
 
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Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Playtesting

NAME = BATMAN
SECRET IDENTITY = THOMAS WAYNE

SPECIES = HUMAN
UNIQUENESS = UNIQUE HERO
CLASS = VIGILANTE
PERSONALITY = RUTHLESS

SIZE/HEIGHT = MEDIUM 5

LIFE = 4

MOVE = 5
RANGE = 5
ATTACK = 4
DEFENSE = 5

POINTS = 190

BAT-GRAPPLE 3
Instead of his normal move, Batman may move up to 3 spaces with Bat-Grapple. When moving with Bat-Grapple, Batman has the Flying special power, but may not move up or down more than 30 levels in a single grapple, and will not take any leaving engagement attacks.

SURGICAL PRECISION
When Batman attacks, he may attack one additional time. If Batman inflicts one or more wounds with a normal attack during his turn, roll an unblockable attack die against one of the wounded figures.

THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS
If Batman is targeted for a normal attack from a figure within 5 clear sight spaces of him, both players must roll the 20-sided die. Add 1 to your roll for each revealed Order Marker on this card. If you roll higher, the targeting figure receives a wound, and it may target Batman one additional time, otherwise its turn immediately ends.
 
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Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

One thing we were discussing is that some people didn’t love that his double attack only works against non-adjacent figures. If it just always work, he’ll still like range a lot of the time, but he’ll also be down to get into some scraps.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

MrNobody said:
One thing we were discussing is that some people didn’t love that his double attack only works against non-adjacent figures. If it just always work, he’ll still like range a lot of the time, but he’ll also be down to get into some scraps.
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Will Update and Move the non-adjacency requirement from the attack to the wounding part of the power after the waiting period is up. Forgot about that!
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

I think we did away with breathing.?
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Yeah, I'd just give him the double attack all the time. He runs around with two guns, one in each hand, so he must be ambidextrous.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Tornado said:
I think we did away with breathing.?
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Correct. I believe it's just a 48 hour design phase? I could be wrong. Before my time back as a Hero. :)
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Yodaking said:
Yeah, I'd just give him the double attack all the time. He runs around with two guns, one in each hand, so he must be ambidextrous.
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Surgical Accuracy updated with change to full time double attack and stacked wounds to non-adjacent figures.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

What are everyone's thoughts on the name of Surgical Accuracy? Arkham had suggested Surgical Precision. Does that catch anyone's interest more?

Also, speaking of scrapping it up, would it make sense to give him the ability to attack non-adjacent figures even though he is engaged? If so, would you add that to Phantom Walk and do a rename of the power, or include it in Surgical Accuracy?
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

He is only surgically accurate from a distance? If anything I would have the extra wounds only for adjacent attacks.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

No, I don't see any theme reason why he should be immune to engagement rules.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Why does he get the surgical bonus only for ranged? I know he uses drug tipped batarangs, but extra wounds don't really translate to sleepy drugs in my opinion. I've only read his early stuff.

Also, thoughts on making him an Antagonist? He teams up with Bane later on I know, so that might be fun to give him some soft synergy with Bane II.

What's the theme on House Always Wins? Is he a big gambler or something?

And does he not use grapples? I could have sworn he did, so swapping phantom walk for Bat grapple might be cool.

(Honest questions, but forever since I've read anything with this guy)
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Lord Pyre said:
Also, thoughts on making him an Antagonist? He teams up with Bane later on I know, so that might be fun to give him some soft synergy with Bane II.
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Bane (II) activates Crime Lords, Criminals, Misfits, and Psychopaths.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Psychopath then? Lol
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS
If a figure targets Batman for an attack, you must both roll the 20-sided die. Add 2 to your roll for each revealed Order Marker on this card. If you roll higher, that figure receives a wound and it may target Batman again or its turn immediately ends.


Trying to understand this power. Is it, if you roll higher -
1. The attacking figure takes a wound and can attack again
2. Or end its turn(and take no wounds?)

or
1. The attacking figure takes a wound, then
2. Choose to either attack again or end your turn?
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

From a brief readup on the character, I feel like class of Loner might make sense.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Splash said:
From a brief readup on the character, I feel like class of Loner might make sense.
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I guess I'd like to keep him Vigilante if possible. Maybe not thematic, but a father/son team up would be a fun option.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Ericth74 said:
THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS
If a figure targets Batman for an attack, you must both roll the 20-sided die. Add 2 to your roll for each revealed Order Marker on this card. If you roll higher, that figure receives a wound and it may target Batman again or its turn immediately ends.


Trying to understand this power. Is it, if you roll higher -
1. The attacking figure takes a wound and can attack again
2. Or end its turn(and take no wounds?)

or
1. The attacking figure takes a wound, then
2. Choose to either attack again or end your turn?
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Option Number 2
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Tornado said:
He is only surgically accurate from a distance? If anything I would have the extra wounds only for adjacent attacks.
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It's meant to represent his skill with his dual pistols. Extra wounds for adjacent attacks would mean reusing Surgical Strike. We were trying to build off of that in a way.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Lord Pyre said:
What's the theme on House Always Wins? Is he a big gambler or something?

And does he not use grapples? I could have sworn he did, so swapping phantom walk for Bat grapple might be cool.

(Honest questions, but forever since I've read anything with this guy)
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The thought behind the defensive "gambling" power was finding a way to represent his business as a casino owner and how he uses that business as a means to keep tabs/stay ahead of his enemies. It's meant to make it feel like the deck is stacked in his favor so to speak.

I'd be okay with a grapple power instead of phantom walk. I think that would probably juice up his ranged double attack as he would be able to gain height advantage more easily though.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Still having a disconnect with surgery which is hands on and pistols that are range. If it is to show his knowledge of human anatomy and his ability to hit vital spots, how does that apply to non-humans, especially androids, constructs, Destructible Objects, alien physiology, etc.?
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

redstang said:
Splash said:
From a brief readup on the character, I feel like class of Loner might make sense.
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I guess I'd like to keep him Vigilante if possible. Maybe not thematic, but a father/son team up would be a fun option.
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I think that largely describes how he operates, right? Also didn't he, in some version, also team up with Justice League like heroes? Vigilante would be a cleaner fit for that.

redstang said:
Ericth74 said:
THE HOUSE ALWAYS WINS
If a figure targets Batman for an attack, you must both roll the 20-sided die. Add 2 to your roll for each revealed Order Marker on this card. If you roll higher, that figure receives a wound and it may target Batman again or its turn immediately ends.


Trying to understand this power. Is it, if you roll higher -
1. The attacking figure takes a wound and can attack again
2. Or end its turn(and take no wounds?)

or
1. The attacking figure takes a wound, then
2. Choose to either attack again or end your turn?
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Option Number 2
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This is how I read it.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Tornado said:
Still having a disconnect with surgery which is hands on and pistols that are range. If it is to show his knowledge of human anatomy and his ability to hit vital spots, how does that apply to non-humans, especially androids, constructs, Destructible Objects, alien physiology, etc.?
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The way I connect it is the belief that performing surgery requires precise movements and steady hands as well as knowledge of human anatomy. Usually when firing a gun, the more precise and steady your hands, along with controlled breathing, you tend to be a better shot.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

Wording thus far is very simple, so if we want built in immunities for things like Constructs and destructible objects on the additional wound front, that would be fine, fwiw. Things like Aliens I'm less concerned about given if we went down that line of theme proofing we'd be a hot mess for a lot of designs, so some middle ground makes sense.
 
Re: The Book of Batman (Thomas Wayne) - Design Phase

[ame]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mWUJA3CrapE[/ame]
Kinda crazy scene from start to 1:19.
Deadshot sees the bullet hole in Professor Zoom's forehead and remarks, "Nice shot."
Professor Zoom tells how Thomas Wayne did it. "I never saw it coming."
 
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