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C3G Future Direction Thread
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Not my favorite, but I can live with it.
I could/would like to see this for Wave One, in that case:
WAVE ONE: JUSTICE AND VENGEANCE
BOOSTER ONE: SCIENTISTS AND ALIENS or JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA
Martian Manhunter
Flash (Barry Allen)
Professor Zoom
Brainiac
Lex Luthor
BOOSTER TWO: X-MEN UNITED
Juggernaut
Avalanche
Rogue
Colossus
Storm
BOOSTER THREE: AVENGERS ASSEMBLE
Thor
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Ultron
Loki
BOOSTER FOUR: MARTIANS AND HENCHMEN
Lexcorp Security (common squad of 3)
White Martians (common squad of 2)
WAVE ONE: JUSTICE AND VENGEANCE
BOOSTER ONE: SCIENTISTS AND ALIENS or JUSTICE LEAGUE OF AMERICA
Martian Manhunter
Flash (Barry Allen)
Professor Zoom
Brainiac
Lex Luthor
BOOSTER TWO: X-MEN UNITED
Juggernaut
Avalanche
Rogue
Colossus
Storm
BOOSTER THREE: AVENGERS ASSEMBLE
Thor
Vision
Scarlet Witch
Ultron
Loki
BOOSTER FOUR: MARTIANS AND HENCHMEN
Lexcorp Security (common squad of 3)
White Martians (common squad of 2)
I'd prefer to keep squads all one universe. Besides, if we're only doing 5 DC cards in the hero set, it seems only fair to give them both squads. Then in wave two shift things around, give DC two Hero boosters, and give Marvel the squad booster.
I feel like Wolverine is one of those who can carry a whole booster full of weaker heroes. We already have Storm and Juggernaut in this one ... Also, while Rogue can straddle the line between the Brotherhood and the X-Men, Wolverine is full X-Men and very powerful, so he might move the balance to the X-Men side a little too much.
Actually, since we have 6 X-Men and 5 villain heroes only in the Master Set we might almost want to go 3 villains/2 heroes for the X-Men Booster (though the squads in X-Men Master set do help balance that out somewhat ...).
I feel like Wolverine is one of those who can carry a whole booster full of weaker heroes. We already have Storm and Juggernaut in this one ... Also, while Rogue can straddle the line between the Brotherhood and the X-Men, Wolverine is full X-Men and very powerful, so he might move the balance to the X-Men side a little too much.
Actually, since we have 6 X-Men and 5 villain heroes only in the Master Set we might almost want to go 3 villains/2 heroes for the X-Men Booster (though the squads in X-Men Master set do help balance that out somewhat ...).
Wait, I thought the Brave and the Bold set (a booster rather than a master) would have Martian Manhunter, Flash, Wonder Woman, Green Lantern and dare I say it.... Aquaman.
OK, after mulling over things with Griffin for a few hours, here's my revised take ...
WAVE ONE: JUSTICE AND VENGEANCE
BOOSTER ONE: SCIENTISTS AND ALIENS
Martian Manhunter
Flash (Barry Allen)
Professor Zoom
Brainiac
Lex Luthor
BOOSTER TWO: X-MEN UNITED
Juggernaut
Sabretooth
Colossus
Wolverine
Shadowcat
BOOSTER THREE: AVENGERS ASSEMBLE
Thor
Hawkeye
Black Panther
Klaw
Loki
BOOSTER FOUR: ALIEN VS ROBOT
White Martians (common squad of 2)
Humanoid Sentinels (common squad of 3)
WAVE ONE: JUSTICE AND VENGEANCE
BOOSTER ONE: SCIENTISTS AND ALIENS
Martian Manhunter
Flash (Barry Allen)
Professor Zoom
Brainiac
Lex Luthor
BOOSTER TWO: X-MEN UNITED
Juggernaut
Sabretooth
Colossus
Wolverine
Shadowcat
BOOSTER THREE: AVENGERS ASSEMBLE
Thor
Hawkeye
Black Panther
Klaw
Loki
BOOSTER FOUR: ALIEN VS ROBOT
White Martians (common squad of 2)
Humanoid Sentinels (common squad of 3)
Here are the changes I would like to see to Bats' suggestion along with reasons.
scarlet Witch can be a brotherhood member too.
And as radical as this sounds, I could see dropping the X-men in this wave since we will have just released them, for squads of Ultron Drones and Doombots.
I like Flash more, but he has to be released with Hal. They are best buddies (Don't believe me? Check out the first issue of Blackest night if you can get your hands on it!) Also, I like three Heroes, two villains, and the two squads backing them up.
I think it would be easy to make it so three of these four X-Men would and could go either way, since all of them have at some point. Plus Juggie should be able to give the four of them a run for their money by himself.
If we have Ultron, we have to have Hank! He created him! Plus I like that
scarlet Witch can be a brotherhood member too.
To me, these two baddies, Lex and Brainiac, are even more dangerous because of underlings.
And as radical as this sounds, I could see dropping the X-men in this wave since we will have just released them, for squads of Ultron Drones and Doombots.
Spidey, see my updated take on these. I made some changes you'll probably like and some you'll probably hate. 
If we drop Flash for Wonder Woman in this set, I think we need to give her a villain counter. I think we want to make sure not to go too hero heavy or we'll have a lot of villain catching up to do later. We should build in a balanced fashion if we can, with 2 heroes, 2 villains, and one "wildcard" in every booster, IMO.
If we drop Flash for Wonder Woman in this set, I think we need to give her a villain counter. I think we want to make sure not to go too hero heavy or we'll have a lot of villain catching up to do later. We should build in a balanced fashion if we can, with 2 heroes, 2 villains, and one "wildcard" in every booster, IMO.
I was actually liking the idea of The Brave & The Bold wave. Damn. IMO it allowed for mixing of the strong characters with the weaker less known characters. But I do also like the idea of mixed waves.
Hmmm. Theme vs variety & an even boost to the master sets. I suppose it's fairer this way but it's hard to pass up theme when we are talking about comic characters. I can live with it though.
Hmmm. Theme vs variety & an even boost to the master sets. I suppose it's fairer this way but it's hard to pass up theme when we are talking about comic characters. I can live with it though.
GreyOwl
Caretaker of the Custom Realm
Hmm...looks like you put Wolverine in there, and made 1 DC and 1 Marvel Squad.
Overall, not bad. But each wave has 3 heroes and 2 villains so that's 9 heroes to 6 villains. I think one of the waves should have 2 heroes and 3 villians. One suggestion off the top of my head is to replace either Hawkeye or Black Panther with Ultron, or to replace Shadowcat with Emma Frost (which could serve as both villain or hero).
EDIT: Also, I still think we need throw an Indy figure in there somewhere. Unless we want to do it as an exclusive or promotional figure tied to that wave?
What about 2 packs per wave the way the Marvelscape was allegedly going to be released?
We can then go with 10 figures for the Brave and Bold to mix heroes and villains of varying power level:
Wonder Woman
J'onn J'onnz
Flash
Green Lantern
Aquaman
Lex Luthor
Brainiac
Prof Zoom
Sinestro
Captain Cold
Then we can go with Marvel 2 booster wave as suggested:
BOOSTER TWO: X-MEN UNITED
Juggernaut
Sabretooth
Colossus
Wolverine
Scarlet Witch (replacing Shadowcat)
BOOSTER THREE: AVENGERS ASSEMBLE
Thor
Hawkeye
Quick Silver (replacing Black Panther)
Klaw
Loki
The changes I suggest could give more hero villain options as Wanda and Pietro go on both sides and have a history with both groups.
Squads can be released next with 2 boosters:
DC: White Martians and Parademons
Marvel: Sentinels and Doombots
Am I getting too crazy?
We can then go with 10 figures for the Brave and Bold to mix heroes and villains of varying power level:
Wonder Woman
J'onn J'onnz
Flash
Green Lantern
Aquaman
Lex Luthor
Brainiac
Prof Zoom
Sinestro
Captain Cold
Then we can go with Marvel 2 booster wave as suggested:
BOOSTER TWO: X-MEN UNITED
Juggernaut
Sabretooth
Colossus
Wolverine
Scarlet Witch (replacing Shadowcat)
BOOSTER THREE: AVENGERS ASSEMBLE
Thor
Hawkeye
Quick Silver (replacing Black Panther)
Klaw
Loki
The changes I suggest could give more hero villain options as Wanda and Pietro go on both sides and have a history with both groups.
Squads can be released next with 2 boosters:
DC: White Martians and Parademons
Marvel: Sentinels and Doombots
Am I getting too crazy?
Hmmmm...no more crazy than usual my fellow oldster
I like where you're coming from Mr. Helm. like the thoughts on Scarlet Witch and Quicksilver because like you said, they can easily be played on either hero or villain side and can offer more variable uses. Wolverine and Sabertooth just have to be released in the same set just as Batman/Joker, Prof. X/Magneto and Green Lantern/Sinestro.
My personal opinion is that I don't need to have commons with every set.
Regarding Loki. I know he's the obvious choice for a villain to go with Thor, but has anyone found reasonably priced versions of the Loki figure? If they are available for a few bucks or less that's cool, but I've seen them priced very expensive. If there isn't an affordable alternative to Loki (we need to keep others fans in mind), might I suggest Ulik, a very formidable Rock Troll that Thor has battled. His figure is quite affordable and available. Here's the figure picture and an art picture.
Balantai
Name's Ash... Housewares
Balantai
Name's Ash... Housewares
The only problem I have with Matt's vision is that we would be releasing all the big names in our first Wave. I would prefer to release one big name with each wave and save multiple big names for our Master Sets.
Balantai
Name's Ash... Housewares
Not bad, Bats, but I think we need a couple of "unknowns".
BOOSTER ONE: SCIENTISTS AND ALIENS
Martian Manhunter
Atom
Booster Gold
Brainiac
Chronos
BOOSTER TWO: X-MEN UNITED
Juggernaut
Sabretooth
Rogue
Wolverine
Cannonball
BOOSTER THREE: AVENGERS ASSEMBLE
Thor
Falcon
Vision
Klaw
Loki
BOOSTER FOUR: ALIEN VS ROBOT
White Martians (common squad of 2)
Humanoid Sentinels (common squad of 3)
GreyOwl
Caretaker of the Custom Realm
Is that out yet?
Balantai
Name's Ash... Housewares
Well, from the new Hammer of Thor set we can choose from this one for at least $1.49 depending on where you look.
or this one for at least $14.99 depending on where you look.
Yeah, I liked the idea too, but what I like even more, honestly, is getting both DC and Marvel in every way, and not getting overwhelmed with either at any point. I also like the idea of being able to incorporate indy one booster at a time instead of doing a whole wave for it.
Hmm...looks like you put Wolverine in there, and made 1 DC and 1 Marvel Squad.
Overall, not bad. But each wave has 3 heroes and 2 villains so that's 9 heroes to 6 villains. I think one of the waves should have 2 heroes and 3 villians. One suggestion off the top of my head is to replace either Hawkeye or Black Panther with Ultron, or to replace Shadowcat with Emma Frost (which could serve as both villain or hero).
EDIT: Also, I still think we need throw an Indy figure in there somewhere. Unless we want to do it as an exclusive or promotional figure tied to that wave?
The DC booster has three villains - Zoom, Lex, and Brainiac. And both squads are villainous. So I think it evens out pretty well (8 hero cards, 9 villain cards).
I originally had Ultron and Vision in there, but Griff and later Spidey convinced me that Ultron, Vision, and Hank Pym should all be released at the same time. And since I'd like to see Hank Pym and Wasp released at the same time, that doesn't work with doing Thor in this set, thus Hawkeye and Black Panther instead.
Let's wait and just do an Indy booster in a couple of waves - like wave 3.
That's good to hear!
Oye ... everybody's got an opinion.
At least we all seem to be pretty much agreeing on Martian Manhunter, Wolverine, and Thor thus far, and Brainiac, Sabretooth, and Loki seem like pretty consistently obvious inclusions. It's a good core starting point.I'm ignoring Mr. Helm's radical suggestions because, darn it, we're finally making some solid progress on this.
Well, from the new Hammer of Thor set we can choose from this one for at least $1.49 depending on where you look.
or this one for at least $14.99 depending on where you look.
Does that first Loki have boobs?
Hmm ... Loki might be more problematic than I thought ...
Oh, btw, GreyOwl, both you and Griffin insisted we do Wolverine, and you both thought including a Marvel squad was a good idea, so, yeah, I was swayed.
I really think those two squaddies are a great inclusion for now too, because it lets us get a Sentinel faction right away and because White Martians should really be released at the same time as Martian Manhunter.
Throw in that Juggernaut (if we vote him out of the master set) is a must have in this wave, and we're a little bit closer to filling the wave out in a way we can almost all agree on.
I really think those two squaddies are a great inclusion for now too, because it lets us get a Sentinel faction right away and because White Martians should really be released at the same time as Martian Manhunter.
Throw in that Juggernaut (if we vote him out of the master set) is a must have in this wave, and we're a little bit closer to filling the wave out in a way we can almost all agree on.
So, hoping that we can get a Loki figure that works, let's call this our starting point for now, and you guys can help me fill it out in a way we can all agree on ...
BOOSTER ONE
Martian Manhunter
Brainiac
Lex Luthor (I really think we need to get him out sooner rather than later)
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BOOSTER TWO
Juggernaut
Sabretooth
Wolverine
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BOOSTER THREE
Thor
Loki
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BOOSTER FOUR
White Martians
Humanoid Sentinels
BOOSTER ONE
Martian Manhunter
Brainiac
Lex Luthor (I really think we need to get him out sooner rather than later)
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BOOSTER TWO
Juggernaut
Sabretooth
Wolverine
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BOOSTER THREE
Thor
Loki
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BOOSTER FOUR
White Martians
Humanoid Sentinels
Black Knight would be one who could ride the line between good and evil too, and help keep the hero/villain balance.
I have trouble coming up with too many Avenger villains - theirs just aren't that iconic outside of a couple like Ultron.
I have trouble coming up with too many Avenger villains - theirs just aren't that iconic outside of a couple like Ultron.
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