Public Design Post

[johnny139]

Just to throw mud in your eye, Pyre, here's my take on Mr. Freeze. He's a tad more... kinetic. I'm not sure if he qualifies as a Metahuman or not - I mean, he was splashed with that chemical, which is why he needs the suit, but it didn't really give him any "powers" other than needing to be cold.

In any case, he definitely strikes me as a Scientist more than a Criminal. I don't see him being hired out by Black Mask or the Penguin; he's his own man.

MISTER FREEZE
VICTOR FRIES

METAHUMAN
UNIQUE HERO
SCIENTIST
VENGEFUL

MEDIUM 5

LIFE 4

MOVE 5
RANGE 5
ATTACK 3
DEFENSE 6

200 POINTS

ICE GUN
Mister Freeze starts the game with up 6 ice tiles an up to 2 Glacier Destructible Objects on his Army Card. Instead of moving and attacking with Mister Freeze, you may choose an unoccupied space within 5 clear sight spaces of Mister Freeze. You may place an ice tile or Glacier from his Army Card on that space if the ice tile or Glacier fits normally on that space.

FREEZE!
If an opponent’s small or medium Unique Hero receives at least one wound from Mister Freeze’s normal attack, you may roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 1-10, nothing happens. If you roll 11-17, you may place an ice tile from this Army Card on that space. If you roll 18 or higher, you may place a Glacier from this Army Card on that space and place the defending figure on the Glacier’s Army Card. The defending figure is considered to be Trapped. Ice tiles and Glacier must fit normally on the spaces they are placed on

FIRE WEAKNESS
If Mister Freeze is on a lava field space, he rolls 2 fewer defense dice and 2 fewer attack dice.

SUPER STRENGTH SYMBOL

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GLACIER
DESTRUCTIBLE OBJECT

3 LIFE
6 DEFENSE

TRAPPED
A figure on this Army Card is considered to be Trapped. Trapped figures can never take turns or use special powers. At the end of a Round, a Trapped figure receives one wound. When this Glacier is destroyed, if a figure was Trapped, that figure is placed on the space that the Glacier occupied.

[Lord Pyre]

I like it! Interesting use of DO's. I think snow movement is a better fit on the card that heat weakness, like I explained in my post.

I can see the scientist, and having him part of the FF would be cool! I tried thinking of something else than Criminal, but that's just what I put on.

I just wanted to incorperate his tragic side into the card, but yours is probably a better design.

[johnny139]

Originally Posted by Lord Pyre

I like it! Interesting use of DO's. I think snow movement is a better fit on the card that heat weakness, like I explained in my post.

I can see that, sure, but... I remember in Heart of Ice, Batman beat Freeze by throwing hot chicken soup in his face. One can only imagine what lava would do to him. I could see it going either way, but personally I prefer the weakness.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by johnny139

I can see that, sure, but... I remember in Heart of Ice, Batman beat Freeze by throwing hot chicken soup in his face. One can only imagine what lava would do to him. I could see it going either way, but personally I prefer the weakness.

I know (I just watched that episode yesterday, hehe), but at the same time, Batman cracked his helmet with the can, THEN the soup hit him. The suit itself protects him from most heat, and I figure the normal penalties for the lava terrain would be sufficeint.

[Margloth]

I'm curious as to why you guys are giving Freeze such high life/defense numbers. Also, why he should have the Superstrength Symbol.

I'm no Mr. Freeze expert, to be sure, but I don't think the Arnold persona is the way to go here, either...

[LordEsenwienIV]

J. Jonah Jameson

Human
Unique Hero
Publisher
Angry
Medium 4/5

Life 3
Move 5
Range 1
Attack 2
Defense 3
Points 80


He's a Menace!
When a figure attacks a Unique Vigilante or Crime-Fighter Hero within 5 clear spaces of J. Jonah Jameson, add 1 to the attacking figure's attack. He's a Menace! special power does not effect adjacent figures.

[johnny139]

Freeze's suit, mostly. It depends on the interpretation, but it's not a stretch to say it's on par defensively with Iron Man or Doctor Doom. And Super Strength... well, I'm not sure if he'd really qualify, but he's along those lines. He could probably lift a ton or so.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by johnny139

Freeze's suit, mostly. It depends on the interpretation, but it's not a stretch to say it's on par defensively with Iron Man or Doctor Doom. And Super Strength... well, I'm not sure if he'd really qualify, but he's along those lines. He could probably lift a ton or so.

Yeah, if he gets his arms around Batman, Bats ain't going anywhere. Unless you crack his helmet, or cheat in some other way, Freeze is hard to take down.

And 4 and 5 aren't exactly high life numbers.

[Good Pig]

J. Jonah Jameson could be a fun figure to do. I think you've got the stats right. Also, I like the name and the general direction of the first power on the card.

The second and third powers seem out of this world powerful for a guy that runs a newspaper.

What about trying to make him somewhere in the 30-50 point range and run with the first power?

HE'S A MENACE!
At the beginning of the game before rolling for initiative, choose an opponent's Unique Hero. The chosen hero rolls 1 fewer attack die and subtracts 2 from all 20-sided die rolls when within clear sight of J. Jonah Jameson.

[Scapemage]

Since Mr. Freeze has been thrown about, and the current booster needs someone from Gotham, here's my version of Mr. Freeze:

Spoiler Alert!

MR. FREEZE
VICTOR FRIES


HUMAN
UNIQUE HERO
SCIENTIST
VENGEFUL
MEDIUM 5

LIFE 5
MOVE 5
RANGE 1
ATTACK 4
DEFENSE 4
POINTS 185

FREEZE GUN 12
Before moving, you may choose any figure within 4 clear sight spaces of Mr. Freeze. Roll the 20-sided die. If you roll a 12 or higher, you may remove one unrevealed Order Marker from the chosen figure's Army Card, and the chosen figure cannot roll defense dice if attacked by Mr. Freeze this turn.

CHILLING COMFORT
Mr. Freeze rolls one additional attack and defense die while on a snow or ice space.

Nice and simple, eh?

[Griffin]

Johnny - Great writeup, and I completely agree with you about the Heat Weakness power being necessary to translate the character. The only criticism I have is a big picture one. You have a lot of great stuff going on for him to be sure, but the problem is you don't leave enough interesting and innovative powers left for other ice wielders like Killer Frost, Blizzard, Captain Cold, Icicle, etc. Sure Mr Freeze is my favorite out of them too, but we have to save some Icing for the entire cake of frozen heroes. Lots of great ideas though, and even if they don't all appear on Mr Freeze, they WILL happen on some level for some characters for sure.


Lord E - not a bad start IMO. That is a tough one to design, and props to you for being ambitious enough to go for it. I must say though, I don't care for the theme of "Get back to work" or "My Bugle My Life". Those powers translate as Tactician (sorta) and a Resurrection type power.

ScapeMage - honestly, a bit too simple for my tastes. This is C3G after all, we should be trying to raise the bar with creativity and innovation a bit more than that in my humble opinion. Simple designs are fine and fun, but for me, they are not appropriate for such a well celebrated and complex guy like Mister Freeze.

[Lord Pyre]

Originally Posted by Griffin

Johnny - Great writeup, and I completely agree with you about the Heat Weakness power being necessary to translate the character. The only criticism I have is a big picture one. You have a lot of great stuff going on for him to be sure, but the problem is you don't leave enough interesting and innovative powers left for other ice wielders like Killer Frost, Blizzard, Captain Cold, Icicle, etc. Sure Mr Freeze is my favorite out of them too, but we have to save some Icing for the entire cake of frozen heroes. Lots of great ideas though, and even if they don't all appear on Mr Freeze, they WILL happen on some level for some characters for sure.

Did you see my write up? I think that power is pretty unique for Mr. Freeze, and the other powers are easily changeable.

Oh, and icing, heh heh heh.